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Andferne.rasalvatoreforums |
Buffy RPG Canon? |
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Howdy everyone, I was wondering what is the general consensus here on these boards for this topic. I'm having a debate topic on another site as to whether
or not these books are considered canon.
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SunlessNick |
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You mean is the RPG canon for the series/comics? No.
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krj1168 |
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The RPG Corebooks & Supplements basically open up options for varies kinds of RPG games series - which include Buffy/Angel Canon to a very original series
that doesn't include any of the characters of either series.
Basically the kind of game is up to the GMs & their players. |
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Gimli son of Gloin |
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I do believe I heard Eden Studios was under contract not to contradict the TV shows with their RPG.
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Majin Gojira |
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I basically take it as a pretty decent representation their off.
Having once tried to quantify Buffy and Angel, that's saying something.
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Seran McKay |
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Well, it tells you the basic summary of an entire season...I mean what I have read it is straight up Canon, maybe not and Episode Guide but he tells you what
went on in the two series.
Now with that keep in mind that if you create a series based off of the two then you could say it is canon in your world and interpretations of it. For example, My Vegas Knight Series takes place after every Slayer was activated therefore I say that it is canon in my Series (Mind), I also just recently started up a new Series called Rayne the Vampire Slayer where I have altered Season Eight of Buffy and Season Six of Angel but in my mind I see the Series continued differently. The idea the Rpgs give is that you can create any series you'd like. Its up to the Director to say if he is going to incorporate it into Canon for his group only. Just my thoughts Seran |
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Andferne.rasalvatoreforums |
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Joss Weldon had nothing to do with the Rpg handbook, "other" then giving Faith a last name.
This is one of the statements I am trying to refute. |
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krj1168 |
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The RPG Corebooks & Supplements do pervide fairly accurate stats for the Characters and Sseasonal summaries for the various seasons of BtVS & Angel. So
in this way -it could be considered to be Canon or at least very canon like. But these are usually presented as what happened in the TV series, not what has
happen in the RPG series.
The Buffy & Angel Rpgs have several options which Directors can explore. Personally - I would say the Buffy & Angel RPGs are canon-like with options. |
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Andferne.rasalvatoreforums |
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Not sure if it is ok to post links to other sites on these boards. But for those who wish to take a delve into what I am talking about more. Here is the link
to where we are debating things. It started as a Buffy vs Captain America fight thread, on who would win. Then slowly generated into if these source books are
considered canon.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/captain-america-vs-buffy/417907/#219 |
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xnbach |
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Joss Weldon had nothing to do with the Rpg handbook, "other" then giving Faith a last name.
This is one of the statements I am trying to refute. Not true. He also gave Kendra a last name as well. Other than that, contact with Fox was through whoever handles their licensing. The RPG's had to stay true to the show, which is why there are sidebars all over the place explaining when we have come up with something on our own, usually conjecture from existing information or simply trying to make sense of the show's continuity. An example of the first one is the idea that Buffy Dracula was Vlad Tepes AKA Vlad III the Impaler. Most people make that connection, since Vlad is where Stoker got the name Dracula from in the first place. There is also the fact that Rudolf Martin played Buffy's Dracula right after he was done playing Vlad III for Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula, so it is a safe bet that this is what Mutant Enemy had in mind for their Dracula, but they never actually say this. There is nothing preventing Whedon from deciding that Dracula is more like Drake in Blade III and has been alive since Sumerian times. An example of the second would be the idea that the virtuous knight who pierced Acathla's heart and turned him into stone was a Spanish knight and that Acathla was a last ditch effort by some Aztec priests to defeat the Conquistadors. That's the only thing that makes sense historically, and the sword does look more like a Toledo blade than anything else, but Whedon could very well have been thinking medieval knight who stops Acathla in the Old World and ends up discovering America just because he wanted to find some place really far away to bury the demon. That wouldn't make a lot of sense, but I don't think that was really Whedon's first concern when he was writing Becoming. So while the RPG stays very canonical and does a great job of making sense out of a convoluted continuity, nothing we came up with on our own is considered canon by Mutant Enemy. A good example of this is the ultimate fate of Sunnydale. Sunnydale is a coastal city with a beach, but at the end of the series it is a big dry hole in the ground. This makes no sense, so it was assumed that the Pacific Ocean would eventually fill that crater up. Lo and behold, in the Season 8 comics, Sunnydale is still a big dry hole in the ground. So there you go. Just because the RPG says something that makes perfect sense and covers up a logical oversight on the part of the show, Whedon & Co can just ignore it anyway because we don't add anything to canon.
Thom Marrion
Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), and all sorts of other stuff
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Andferne.rasalvatoreforums |
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The debate has seemed to die down, as we moved on to testing feat against feat etc.
This being a Buffy site I figure the gathered knowledge here would be superior than what one would find elsewhere. Can people list some of Buffy's more impressive strength feats? I can not recall us ever seeing her do anything over the ton mark. |
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iamveryevil |
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Does a tiny blonde girl beating up a goddess with a very large hammer count?
Spike (Angel 1.3 In the Dark) : You see, i was once a bad-ass vampire, but love, and a pesky curse de-fanged me, and now i'm just a big fluffy puppy with bad teeth. |
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Andferne.rasalvatoreforums |
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But she had a magical hammer, which by game terms also increased her strength. The Glory she was fighting was also one that had been depowered to some degree.
Unless I am mistaken.
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Majin Gojira |
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Oh boy.
Well, as the person who once tried to Quantify Buffy, I'll give you the straight dope. First of all, we can't fully trust the camera. It's beeing overcranked to follow her speeds. Second of all, she has punched several people hard enough to send them flying several yards. Realistically, that's enough force to cave in a normal person's chest and possibly snap their neck with the whiplash. For lifting, I have this (I stopped around Season 6, mind you). - Heavy lifting: Lifting metal portcullis (Dimensions: 4 inch by .5inch Bars, 7+feet tall, 10+ feet wide) (Season 3: Anne) o Size of the lifted object: Unknown, estimated to be over a ton. Averge Portcullis is 2 tons. o Time spent lifting: lifted in 12 seconds, held for 3 seconds, would have held it for a little longer o Distance lifted: 6 feet or, over Buffy's Head o Notes: Complains that this was working her muscles and that she would "feel this for a week" More impressive are acts of breaking and leaping. Generally, thick chains of mundane metals are needed to hold a Slayer down, otherwise, they break threw. Heavy steel doors also flumox them. Her best jump (Buffy vs. Dracula) has her leaping a distance of 25ft in total (Pythagorean Theorem, YEAH!). I find acts of Agility and Durability more interesting, though.
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Your Logic is insane and happenstance, like that of a troll. "...and "Candle in the Wind" by Sir Elton John is the best selling song of all time. Popular sure doesn't mean right" - Penn Gillet. "Science is like sex. Sometimes something useful comes out, but that is not the reason we are doing it." -Richard Feynman |
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krj1168 |
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Well according to the Revised Corebook - Buffy had a Strength of 9 during Season 7 which according to the Strength table equals a normal lifting capability of
about 1,000 lbs. And since the maximum lifting capability is estimated at double the normal lifting capability - which for Buffy would be about 2,000 lbs. So
that could be why we don't see her lift anything that weighs over a ton.
Although Buffy has faced 3 foes that are capable of lifting more than a ton - namely Adam (Str 10), Glory (Str 15), and Caleb (Str 13). And 2 of those(Glory & Caleb) were capable of lifting a mid-size car (About 3,000 lbs). As for Physical Displays of Buffy's Strength. Check out this site. http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Slayer |
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RedfeildRE |
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I always saw the Buffy game as a toolbox with canon. Anything talking about the show is canon but here are some fun things you can also do. Nothing contidicts
canon but could be added to your own game to taste. An example of a non-canon tool is the Living Dead Girl templat you could find in the Slayers Handbook
(IIRC). It not canon but nether dose it contridict canon.
I kind of find it funny that Mutant Enemy would ask Eden not to write anything contidictory. That would piss off a lot of Buffy fans and would defeat the purpose of even having a Buffy RPG. |
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krj1168 |
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But she had a magical hammer, which by game terms also increased her strength. The Glory she was fighting was also one that had been depowered to some degree. Unless I am mistaken. True, but then you have to remember that in her normal form Glory was twice as strong as Buffy was. So for the final battle between Glory & Buffy, Glory needed to be depowered a bit. Other wise - the battle would be the same as the other ones before it, with Glory having a very big advantage. Between the Dagon Sphere & Willow's Brain suck to restore Tara - it depowered Glory enough so that Buffy was able to defeat Glory with the Troll Hammer. |
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SunlessNick |
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Also, Spike could barely lift that hammer, so Buffy wielding it effectively is pretty good evidence for her strength.
(I know some people counter that with it responding to honour or some-such, but there's no mention of that). |
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Andferne.rasalvatoreforums |
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There is mention of the Honor part inside the rpg books.
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krj1168 |
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Actually when looking at the episode Triangle(which the Troll Hammer 1st appears in). I believe the real reason Buffy can easily wield the Troll hammer, while
Spike has great difficult even lifting it - has more to do with magic than a sense of Honor.
After Willow was able to remove the Troll hammer from Olaf's hands - by using a spell. She likely was able to tranfer the ownership of the hmamer to Buffy. Remember a troll hammer is a mystical weapon.
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RedfeildRE |
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krj1168 wrote:That makes since. Trolls in the Buffyverse don't strike me as particularly honorable. |
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