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My Recent Posts · Dec 15 11 6:43 PM

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I'm working on a game. The idea is to take a group of immortalish PCs (supernatural level) through various episodes historical periods heralding the rise of the AoR and the Mad Gods. The one I'm working on at the moment is provisionally titled Armageddon: 1865. The challenge is for the PCs to track down four Inheritors who fancy themselves the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: yes, I'm going with the old chestnut of the four horsemen as Western outlaws.

Now, the Inheritors of Death and War are no problem with the rules as written. I'm seeking advice on Famine and Pestilence (an incredibly fat lout name of Buzz Gorge and a gentleman physician name of Doc Bane). For Famine, I went with Destruction (Bolt of Destruction) as a sort of AoE effect and Torment (Agony). For Pestilence, I went with the Greater Healing invocation inverted, so instead of Curse Disease it's Cause Disease, Restore Limb becomes Wither Limb, Resuscitate the Dying becomes Hasten Death.

Anyone have any other ideas of how to handle Pestilence and Famine?

My Recent Posts · Dec 16 11 4:37 AM

For Pestilence:

Sterility - its a reversed version of Conception (Life) making the target sterile by sickness.
Touch of Hideousness - like Touch of Beauty (Love) but reversed.
Animal Control (Bestial Powers) - vermin like rats, roaches and other animals associated with plagues.
Agony (Torment) - just as in the book.
Death Curse Invocation - I have always imagined the effects of Death Curse as rapid growth of cancer.

For Famine:

Emotion (Awe) - inflicting fealings of hunger and craving.
Devouer Magic - using the rules of the Vampyres' Magus Power, the Inheritor can absorb magical Essence.
Agony (Torment) - tormenting with painfull hunger.
Accursed Drawback - food looses tast and ability to sate around the character.

My Recent Posts · Dec 16 11 12:14 PM

Hexer!

Thanks for the suggestions. This is exactly what I was looking for.

My Recent Posts · Dec 19 11 2:14 PM

Voxpopuli - nice ideas! Let us know how this all works out, and please post the full stats for your Horsemen (as I might want to "borrow" them to meet my players

)

DW

My Recent Posts · Dec 19 11 3:08 PM

I wrote up a separate Death Curse based on the Hanta virus.

http://edenstudiosdiscuss...-Invocations-amp-Effects

It should be easily modifiable to fit your game.

My Recent Posts · Jan 16 12 9:51 AM

FYI, if you want to be WitchCraft-kosher, the Four Horsemen are actually Archons-powerful beings descended from the Sephyr, much like the Archangels and the Gods, yet different from either of these beings. They are also called the Archons of Destruction and consist of Akoman, the Conqueror; Saurva, the Archon of War; Tauru, the Archon of Famine; and Indravayu, the Archon of Death.

They basically hang out in Binah waiting for the proper End of the World

Little snippet from Book of Geburah, just because I'm nice like that.

My Recent Posts · Jan 16 12 10:21 AM

Nice information!

And also nice to hear, that Book of Geburah is still existent. I sometimes forget, that it was even written.

My Recent Posts · Jan 16 12 7:58 PM

How much can you tell us about what archons are & their differences from seraphim?

My Recent Posts · Jan 16 12 11:00 PM

I know. I'm pushy.

My Recent Posts · Jan 17 12 5:31 AM

You know how the Sephyr who acted as messengers and agents of the Creator became angels and the ones who did all the actual building of the Universe became gods? There were other Sephyr who managed the whole thing and they became Archons. They're in the same league as Archangels and Titans, but beholden to neither and with a little more juice. The Archons of Destruction (aka the Four Horsemen) are one example, the other would be the Three Fates.

The Horsemen stay in their own realm in Binah, though Indravayu can sometimes be seen riding his pale horse in the Death Realms, waiting for the sign that he can finally ride on Malkuth and usher in the End.

The Three Fates can of course be found in the Realm of Akasha in Hod, but I think we were going to have them ultimately dwell in Tiphereth, the cave in Akasha being more of a Gateway.

Probably would have come up with more Archons, but this would have all been in the Book of Binah, which is far far down the list of Things That Will Not Get Written, down there with the Combine book and the Jade Codex

My Recent Posts · Jan 17 12 7:25 AM

Conquest, War, Famine and Death...
Those are the actual four Horsemen from the Bible, not the usual pop-culture Pestilence, War, Famine, Death group.
I really like that!

Where do the names Akoman, Saurva, Tauru and Indravayu come from. Did you think of them yourself or did you take them from other sources?

My Recent Posts · Jan 17 12 3:00 PM

They're Zoroastrian.

"Allied with Angra Mainyu against Ahura Mazda were Akoman (Evil Mind), Indra-vayu (Death), Saurva (a daeva of death and disease), Nañhaithya (a daeva related to the Vedic god Nasatya), Tauru (difficult to identify) and Zairi (the personification of Haoma, the sacred drink related to the sacrifices of both ahuras and daevas). Among other demonic figures is Aeshma (violence, fury, or the aggressive impulse that consumes man)--who may well be the demon Asmodeus of the book of Tobit, Az (Concupiscence or Lust), Mithrandruj (He Who Lies to Mithra or False Speech), Jeh (the demon WH.ore, created later by Ahriman to defile the human race), and many others"

You can read about them here:
http://www.uv.es/EBRIT/macro/macro_5001_79_46.html

My Recent Posts · Jan 19 12 7:04 PM

What he said.

Generally, anything Judeo-Christian, Muslim, or Zoroastrian ended up in the Heaven vs Hell pile while all the rest get to hang out in their pantheon estates in Netzach.

Though I just now realized (or maybe re-realized) that the official Archons are split between Heaven/Hell group (the Four Horsemen) and the Old Gods (the Fates). That wasn't necessarily on purpose, there just aren't a lot of mythological cosmic beings who are neither god nor angel nor demon (mad god types and dragons don't count either), so those two ended up being the only ones so far

My Recent Posts · Jan 23 12 7:26 PM

xnbach wrote:
Probably would have come up with more Archons, but this would have all been in the Book of Binah, which is far far down the list of Things That Will Not Get Written, down there with the Combine book and the Jade Codex

Such a vast world that we will never really get to know... Truly heartbreaking...

My Recent Posts · May 10 12 1:59 PM

Book of Geburah!!! POD or will it be published?

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voxpopuli	The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse as Inheritors	Lead	[-]
Posts: 14 Dec 15 11 6:43 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Tags : None I'm working on a game. The idea is to take a group of immortalish PCs (supernatural level) through various episodes historical periods heralding the rise of the AoR and the Mad Gods. The one I'm working on at the moment is provisionally titled Armageddon: 1865. The challenge is for the PCs to track down four Inheritors who fancy themselves the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse: yes, I'm going with the old chestnut of the four horsemen as Western outlaws. Now, the Inheritors of Death and War are no problem with the rules as written. I'm seeking advice on Famine and Pestilence (an incredibly fat lout name of Buzz Gorge and a gentleman physician name of Doc Bane). For Famine, I went with Destruction (Bolt of Destruction) as a sort of AoE effect and Torment (Agony). For Pestilence, I went with the Greater Healing invocation inverted, so instead of Curse Disease it's Cause Disease, Restore Limb becomes Wither Limb, Resuscitate the Dying becomes Hasten Death. Anyone have any other ideas of how to handle Pestilence and Famine?
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Hexer		#1	[-]
Posts: 308 Dec 16 11 4:37 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	For Pestilence: Sterility - its a reversed version of Conception (Life) making the target sterile by sickness. Touch of Hideousness - like Touch of Beauty (Love) but reversed. Animal Control (Bestial Powers) - vermin like rats, roaches and other animals associated with plagues. Agony (Torment) - just as in the book. Death Curse Invocation - I have always imagined the effects of Death Curse as rapid growth of cancer. For Famine: Emotion (Awe) - inflicting fealings of hunger and craving. Devouer Magic - using the rules of the Vampyres' Magus Power, the Inheritor can absorb magical Essence. Agony (Torment) - tormenting with painfull hunger. Accursed Drawback - food looses tast and ability to sate around the character.
voxpopuli		#2	[-]
Posts: 14 Dec 16 11 12:14 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hexer! Thanks for the suggestions. This is exactly what I was looking for.
Traveller61		#3	[-]
Posts: 845 Dec 19 11 2:14 PM Not Even Green Yet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Voxpopuli - nice ideas! Let us know how this all works out, and please post the full stats for your Horsemen (as I might want to "borrow" them to meet my players ) DW Some days are better than others Section Leader!
DariusRoland		#4	[-]
Posts: 3010 Dec 19 11 3:08 PM Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I wrote up a separate Death Curse based on the Hanta virus. http://edenstudiosdiscuss...-Invocations-amp-Effects It should be easily modifiable to fit your game. Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
xnbach		#5	[-]
Posts: 1913 Jan 16 12 9:51 AM Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	FYI, if you want to be WitchCraft-kosher, the Four Horsemen are actually Archons-powerful beings descended from the Sephyr, much like the Archangels and the Gods, yet different from either of these beings. They are also called the Archons of Destruction and consist of Akoman, the Conqueror; Saurva, the Archon of War; Tauru, the Archon of Famine; and Indravayu, the Archon of Death. They basically hang out in Binah waiting for the proper End of the World Little snippet from Book of Geburah, just because I'm nice like that. Thom Marrion Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), Beyond Human, and all sorts of other stuff
Hexer		#6	[-]
Posts: 308 Jan 16 12 10:21 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Nice information! And also nice to hear, that Book of Geburah is still existent. I sometimes forget, that it was even written.
DariusRoland		#7	[-]
Posts: 3010 Jan 16 12 7:58 PM Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	How much can you tell us about what archons are & their differences from seraphim? Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
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DariusRoland		#8	[-]
Posts: 3010 Jan 16 12 11:00 PM Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I know. I'm pushy. Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
xnbach		#9	[-]
Posts: 1913 Jan 17 12 5:31 AM Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You know how the Sephyr who acted as messengers and agents of the Creator became angels and the ones who did all the actual building of the Universe became gods? There were other Sephyr who managed the whole thing and they became Archons. They're in the same league as Archangels and Titans, but beholden to neither and with a little more juice. The Archons of Destruction (aka the Four Horsemen) are one example, the other would be the Three Fates. The Horsemen stay in their own realm in Binah, though Indravayu can sometimes be seen riding his pale horse in the Death Realms, waiting for the sign that he can finally ride on Malkuth and usher in the End. The Three Fates can of course be found in the Realm of Akasha in Hod, but I think we were going to have them ultimately dwell in Tiphereth, the cave in Akasha being more of a Gateway. Probably would have come up with more Archons, but this would have all been in the Book of Binah, which is far far down the list of Things That Will Not Get Written, down there with the Combine book and the Jade Codex Thom Marrion Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), Beyond Human, and all sorts of other stuff
Hexer		#10	[-]
Posts: 308 Jan 17 12 7:25 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Conquest, War, Famine and Death... Those are the actual four Horsemen from the Bible, not the usual pop-culture Pestilence, War, Famine, Death group. I really like that! Where do the names Akoman, Saurva, Tauru and Indravayu come from. Did you think of them yourself or did you take them from other sources? Last Edited By: Hexer Jan 17 12 7:34 AM. Edited 2 times.
DariusRoland		#11	[-]
Posts: 3010 Jan 17 12 3:00 PM Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	They're Zoroastrian. "Allied with Angra Mainyu against Ahura Mazda were Akoman (Evil Mind), Indra-vayu (Death), Saurva (a daeva of death and disease), Nañhaithya (a daeva related to the Vedic god Nasatya), Tauru (difficult to identify) and Zairi (the personification of Haoma, the sacred drink related to the sacrifices of both ahuras and daevas). Among other demonic figures is Aeshma (violence, fury, or the aggressive impulse that consumes man)--who may well be the demon Asmodeus of the book of Tobit, Az (Concupiscence or Lust), Mithrandruj (He Who Lies to Mithra or False Speech), Jeh (the demon WH.ore, created later by Ahriman to defile the human race), and many others" You can read about them here: http://www.uv.es/EBRIT/macro/macro_5001_79_46.html Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
xnbach		#12	[-]
Posts: 1913 Jan 19 12 7:04 PM Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	What he said. Generally, anything Judeo-Christian, Muslim, or Zoroastrian ended up in the Heaven vs Hell pile while all the rest get to hang out in their pantheon estates in Netzach. Though I just now realized (or maybe re-realized) that the official Archons are split between Heaven/Hell group (the Four Horsemen) and the Old Gods (the Fates). That wasn't necessarily on purpose, there just aren't a lot of mythological cosmic beings who are neither god nor angel nor demon (mad god types and dragons don't count either), so those two ended up being the only ones so far Thom Marrion Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), Beyond Human, and all sorts of other stuff
Xychotic		#13	[-]
Posts: 2508 Jan 23 12 7:26 PM Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	xnbach wrote: Probably would have come up with more Archons, but this would have all been in the Book of Binah, which is far far down the list of Things That Will Not Get Written, down there with the Combine book and the Jade Codex Such a vast world that we will never really get to know... Truly heartbreaking... Clarity of purpose. Clarity of conscience.
Mountain Boy		#14	[-]
Posts: 9 May 10 12 1:59 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Book of Geburah!!! POD or will it be published?
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