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Hello all,
I am looking for some help with Spirit Mastery. In the core book it states that "Each spirit requires a different type of Invocation." And gives the example of Ethereals, Fiends and Elementals, along with mentioning the Wicce using Nature spirits, but what other kinds do you all use?

What about the spirits of the dead, what do you use for that?

Sorry if this is a little vague I am looking for ideas on what types you all use in your games?

Thank you,
Oz667

My Recent Posts · (05/27/09

I think it mentions at some point (maybe in one of the other books?) having an Invocation for Spirits of the Dead. I pretty much go with Ethereals, Fiends, Nature Spirits, Spirits of the Dead and Elementals.

My Recent Posts · (05/27/09

You could add Seraphim/Infernals to that list (or insist on a homebrewed (but essentially identical) Greater Spirit Mastery version of the Invocation for that).

But basically, it can be anything that lists a spirit form rather than normally having a physical form

My Recent Posts · (05/27/09

Spirit Mastery (The Dead) probably wasn't mentioned because that kind of thing is better handled by the Necromancy powers of Death Lordship.

Actually, now that I look at it, Spirit Mastery does specifically mention Ghosts of the Dead as a possible type of this Invocation.

My Recent Posts · (05/28/09

DariusRoland wrote:
You could add Seraphim/Infernals to that list (or insist on a homebrewed (but essentially identical) Greater Spirit Mastery version of the Invocation for that).

But basically, it can be anything that lists a spirit form rather than normally having a physical form

Hmm. I like that idea. Might just have to steal that.

My Recent Posts · (05/29/09

Normally I just include Seraphim and Infernals under the same categories as Ethereals and Fiends, however they can choose whether or not to answer the summons (and that's probably going to be not unless you've got something to offer or you intrigue them).

As for the types there are other ones, but I tend to come up with them as they are needed, for example I believe one of my players was a chosen of Thor, and wanted to ability to summon the einherjar which seemed interesting so I decided to add that as another category of Spirit Mastery (but that only could be acquired by someone with the appropriate spirit patron, or someone willing to take the risk of a very angry Norse god smiting them for their insolence).

My Recent Posts · (05/29/09

Well, einherjar would be a variety of Phantasm, and Valkyrie are clearly Ethereals.

But Seraphim (from either side) are essentially an order of magnitude more powerful than Ethereals. I definitely would not lump them together.

My Recent Posts · (05/31/09

If I remeber correctly the Covenant of Legba has the option to have spirit mastery of the dead. Don't they?

My Recent Posts · (05/31/09

Thank you all for the replies. Please keep them coming!

@DisgruntleFairy - You are correct for the Zombie Mastery invocation they do mention the prerequisite Spirit Mastery (Ghost).

My Recent Posts · (06/26/09

I've been thinking about this. If you use spirit mastery of the dead or ghosts, what would this do for you that one of the Necro powers doesn't. The best answer I can find is that it allows you to bind a spirit or force it into a compact. You could force a spirit into a deal that removes its influence instead of simply dismissing it or controlling it.

In game I would say its far more ritualistic and gives different options. A necromancers powers seem more seance based this is more formal magic. Of course I would make it a necessity if you wanna make any magic items that use bound spirits of the dead. You could also use this power on things that aren't technical ghosts but are dead.

Just some ideas.

My Recent Posts · (07/05/09

I've been thinking about this. If you use spirit mastery of the dead or ghosts, what would this do for you that one of the Necro powers doesn't.

It allows Templars to summon the dead (which makes the Key of the Dead more useful). It also allows True Immortals, Phantasms, Rosicrucians without the Rosicrucian Scholar Quality, and Mundanes to do the same. In other words, anyone who can use Magic but cannot use Necromancy has this as an option.

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oz667	Spirit Mastery	Lead	[-]
Posts: 27 (05/27/09 08:11:32) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hello all, I am looking for some help with Spirit Mastery. In the core book it states that "Each spirit requires a different type of Invocation." And gives the example of Ethereals, Fiends and Elementals, along with mentioning the Wicce using Nature spirits, but what other kinds do you all use? What about the spirits of the dead, what do you use for that? Sorry if this is a little vague I am looking for ideas on what types you all use in your games? Thank you, Oz667
HumAnoyd		#1	[-]
Posts: 638 (05/27/09 08:26:23) Not Even Green Yet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think it mentions at some point (maybe in one of the other books?) having an Invocation for Spirits of the Dead. I pretty much go with Ethereals, Fiends, Nature Spirits, Spirits of the Dead and Elementals. It's not the Heat, it's the Humanity. Unisystem Lord of the Rings
DariusRoland		#2	[-]
Posts: 2389 (05/27/09 09:40:43) Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You could add Seraphim/Infernals to that list (or insist on a homebrewed (but essentially identical) Greater Spirit Mastery version of the Invocation for that). But basically, it can be anything that lists a spirit form rather than normally having a physical form Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
xnbach		#3	[-]
Posts: 1790 (05/27/09 17:05:45) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Spirit Mastery (The Dead) probably wasn't mentioned because that kind of thing is better handled by the Necromancy powers of Death Lordship. Actually, now that I look at it, Spirit Mastery does specifically mention Ghosts of the Dead as a possible type of this Invocation. Thom Marrion Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), and all sorts of other stuff Last Edited By: xnbach 05/27/09 17:08:35. Edited 1 times.
HumAnoyd		#4	[-]
Posts: 641 (05/28/09 11:53:30) Not Even Green Yet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	DariusRoland wrote: You could add Seraphim/Infernals to that list (or insist on a homebrewed (but essentially identical) Greater Spirit Mastery version of the Invocation for that). But basically, it can be anything that lists a spirit form rather than normally having a physical form Hmm. I like that idea. Might just have to steal that. It's not the Heat, it's the Humanity. Unisystem Lord of the Rings
Darren		#5	[-]
Posts: 127 (05/29/09 17:52:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Normally I just include Seraphim and Infernals under the same categories as Ethereals and Fiends, however they can choose whether or not to answer the summons (and that's probably going to be not unless you've got something to offer or you intrigue them). As for the types there are other ones, but I tend to come up with them as they are needed, for example I believe one of my players was a chosen of Thor, and wanted to ability to summon the einherjar which seemed interesting so I decided to add that as another category of Spirit Mastery (but that only could be acquired by someone with the appropriate spirit patron, or someone willing to take the risk of a very angry Norse god smiting them for their insolence).
DariusRoland		#6	[-]
Posts: 2392 (05/29/09 18:11:20) Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well, einherjar would be a variety of Phantasm, and Valkyrie are clearly Ethereals. But Seraphim (from either side) are essentially an order of magnitude more powerful than Ethereals. I definitely would not lump them together. Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
DisgruntleFairy		#7	[-]
Posts: 2 (05/31/09 15:50:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	If I remeber correctly the Covenant of Legba has the option to have spirit mastery of the dead. Don't they?
oz667		#8	[-]
Posts: 28 (05/31/09 18:58:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thank you all for the replies. Please keep them coming! @DisgruntleFairy - You are correct for the Zombie Mastery invocation they do mention the prerequisite Spirit Mastery (Ghost).
DisgruntleFairy		#9	[-]
Posts: 3 (06/26/09 14:52:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've been thinking about this. If you use spirit mastery of the dead or ghosts, what would this do for you that one of the Necro powers doesn't. The best answer I can find is that it allows you to bind a spirit or force it into a compact. You could force a spirit into a deal that removes its influence instead of simply dismissing it or controlling it. In game I would say its far more ritualistic and gives different options. A necromancers powers seem more seance based this is more formal magic. Of course I would make it a necessity if you wanna make any magic items that use bound spirits of the dead. You could also use this power on things that aren't technical ghosts but are dead. Just some ideas.
xnbach		#10	[-]
Posts: 1810 (07/05/09 08:13:57) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I've been thinking about this. If you use spirit mastery of the dead or ghosts, what would this do for you that one of the Necro powers doesn't. It allows Templars to summon the dead (which makes the Key of the Dead more useful). It also allows True Immortals, Phantasms, Rosicrucians without the Rosicrucian Scholar Quality, and Mundanes to do the same. In other words, anyone who can use Magic but cannot use Necromancy has this as an option. Thom Marrion Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), and all sorts of other stuff

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