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Using The Mighty THOR as an Example of course...
Because he is the most Iconic example to use of course.

How would you guys do/create a Thor-like comic character ??

Incarnate ?
Avatar ?
Spirit Patron ?
Other ?? Something new perhaps ??

Basicly, in the Vain of Thor, Thunderstrike, Bloodaxe, Bloodwraith, etc... Heroes or Villians who are empowered through a Mystic Weapon which grants them powers through its use. There may be certain conditions that exist for someone to be elegable to possess the power (like being Worthy, magic words being known, etc..) that the weapon will grant.

Usally the weapon will grant all of its abilities and powers to the user. Some however will have to learn how their weapon works and uncover its abilities and powers on their own (like Thunderstrike had to). The all-at-once method gives a character all their weapon will grant at once, and might be very expensive in starting costs to have. The learn as you go method, gives a character a chance to grow in power and build up their character's abilities and powers over time which could mean, spending XP on new powers later on.

Mystic Weapon weilders ?? Opinions ??
btw...Everyone needs to checkout the new Thor comics. His return was pretty good.

My Recent Posts · (07/01/09

I'd probably write him as an avatar, probably in the 300 - 400 point range, which is about where I put dragons and other extremely powerful characters that I don't really intend my players to come across.

Note that I would set the in-setting actual Norse deity Thor at roughly 3000 points for character creation, a lot of which would go into his Essence Pool.

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DR...
300 pt Range ?? Wow. That is pretty high actually. Then again I did not think of the point cost for this either

AVATAR huh. No special Quality for an Avatar to limit the Powers to the weapon instead of a human baby, which would grow up to appear like the God-godparent ?

A New Quality/Vulnerability would make sense to me.
Human Form use Poteinal Hero Mundane.
God Form use either Avatar or Incarnate (depending on needs of course). If the Godform is Unaging, and basicly just like the God-in-Question, then I say use the Incarnate Quality with the new Vulnerability to simulate the character a little better.

Here is just a Suggestion :

MORTAL FORM (-10 pt Vulnerability)
The Incarnate in question reverts to a mortal form. While in the mortal form, the character is actually mortal/mundane. The mortal requires the weapon/item of Primal Power to change back into their Incarnate form. A Few Skyfathers are rumored to have placed this vulnerability on members of their race as punishment for some reason or crime.

PRIMAL WEAPON / ITEM of Power (-10 pt Vulnerability)
Same as above. Except the name is changed to reflect the need of the weapon/item.

My Recent Posts · (07/01/09

Great concept aet for Thor movie.
Too bad the artist in question did not know it was for the animated movie.

Here is an Alteration of the picture above I made in Paint and Photshop. I changed the hammer as you can tell.

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GOTH wrote:
DR...
300 pt Range ?? Wow. That is pretty high actually. Then again I did not think of the point cost for this either

AVATAR huh. No special Quality for an Avatar to limit the Powers to the weapon instead of a human baby, which would grow up to appear like the God-godparent ?

A New Quality/Vulnerability would make sense to me.
Human Form use Poteinal Hero Mundane.
God Form use either Avatar or Incarnate (depending on needs of course). If the Godform is Unaging, and basicly just like the God-in-Question, then I say use the Incarnate Quality with the new Vulnerability to simulate the character a little better.

Here is just a Suggestion :

MORTAL FORM (-10 pt Vulnerability)
The Incarnate in question reverts to a mortal form. While in the mortal form, the character is actually mortal/mundane. The mortal requires the weapon/item of Primal Power to change back into their Incarnate form. A Few Skyfathers are rumored to have placed this vulnerability on members of their race as punishment for some reason or crime.

PRIMAL WEAPON / ITEM of Power (-10 pt Vulnerability)
Same as above. Except the name is changed to reflect the need of the weapon/item.

Yeah, pretty much. I'd probably bring in the item rules from BH to replicate the weapon. You really should download the Beyond Human rules again. I think you'll find a lot of what you're looking for in these home brewed rules there. I wrote an entire science fiction super heroes vs. aliens campaign in BH's ruleset (translated from Tri-stat's The Authority, but still).

My Recent Posts · (07/04/09

It honestly depends on what you are going for.

If you want a hammer that gives mortals the power of the God of Thunder, I would build it with the enchanted item Primal Power from Armageddon and load it with the powers you need.

If you want to go with Thor walking around as Donald Blake, I'd probably build him as an Avatar with Beholden and make it more like the Ultimates in that wielding Mjolnir or walking around in civilian clothes, he's stall a tall muscular guy with long blonde hair. I'd build him as at least a Greater Supernatural.

If you want a Godlike being walking the Earth, I'd go with Incarnate and make it his son Magni or Modi.

If you want the actual real-deal Thor, then you are in Beyond Human-land and have to build him as a cosmic level character with an Essence Pool in the five-to-six digit range, probably the later. A major God like Thor, it wouldn't be surprising to find him with an Essence Pool of at least 500,000.

My Recent Posts · (07/04/09

xnbach wrote:
It honestly depends on what you are going for.
. . .

If you want the actual real-deal Thor, then you are in Beyond Human-land and have to build him as a cosmic level character with an Essence Pool in the five-to-six digit range, probably the later. A major God like Thor, it wouldn't be surprising to find him with an Essence Pool of at least 500,000.

Wow, that's way higher than I had been considering, but if you're saying that's roughly the point total for a WC canon "actual" god Thor, then it really gives me some things to reconsider about how I'm dealing with the cosmic end of my games.

Where would other actual deities rank in point totals?

My Recent Posts · (07/05/09

I was off by a decimal, Archangels and Old Gods have Essence Pools in the tens of thousands (not hundreds of thousands), so I'd put someone like Thor in the 50-75.000 Essence Point range.

My Recent Posts · (07/05/09

Pretty good ideas Thom.

My Recent Posts · (07/05/09

xnbach wrote:
I was off by a decimal, Archangels and Old Gods have Essence Pools in the tens of thousands (not hundreds of thousands), so I'd put someone like Thor in the 50-75.000 Essence Point range.

Ok thanks, you had me worried there for a minute.

I was all:

but I'm ok now. Thanks again for being a pretty much constant presence around here Thom.

My Recent Posts · (07/06/09

DariusRoland wrote:

xnbach wrote:
I was off by a decimal, Archangels and Old Gods have Essence Pools in the tens of thousands (not hundreds of thousands), so I'd put someone like Thor in the 50-75.000 Essence Point range.

Ok thanks, you had me worried there for a minute. I was all: but I'm ok now. Thanks again for being a pretty much constant presence around here Thom.

Constant in freaking you out, right

My Recent Posts · (07/15/09

DariusRoland wrote:

GOTH wrote:
DR...
300 pt Range ?? Wow. That is pretty high actually. Then again I did not think of the point cost for this either

AVATAR huh. No special Quality for an Avatar to limit the Powers to the weapon instead of a human baby, which would grow up to appear like the God-godparent ?

A New Quality/Vulnerability would make sense to me.
Human Form use Poteinal Hero Mundane.
God Form use either Avatar or Incarnate (depending on needs of course). If the Godform is Unaging, and basicly just like the God-in-Question, then I say use the Incarnate Quality with the new Vulnerability to simulate the character a little better.

Here is just a Suggestion :

MORTAL FORM (-10 pt Vulnerability)
The Incarnate in question reverts to a mortal form. While in the mortal form, the character is actually mortal/mundane. The mortal requires the weapon/item of Primal Power to change back into their Incarnate form. A Few Skyfathers are rumored to have placed this vulnerability on members of their race as punishment for some reason or crime.

PRIMAL WEAPON / ITEM of Power (-10 pt Vulnerability)
Same as above. Except the name is changed to reflect the need of the weapon/item.

Yeah, pretty much. I'd probably bring in the item rules from BH to replicate the weapon. You really should download the Beyond Human rules again. I think you'll find a lot of what you're looking for in these home brewed rules there. I wrote an entire science fiction super heroes vs. aliens campaign in BH's ruleset (translated from Tri-stat's The Authority, but still).

Are these rules (BH) still out there? If so where can I find it?

My Recent Posts · (07/15/09

Its not so much you can just download them. You have to join the Beyond HUman playtest group. Its a yahoo group and I'm sure you can get in. Just jump over to the beyond human forum and look for the playtest thread, all the info is there.

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GOTH	Whoever Holds this Hammer, If they be Worthy....	Lead	[-]
Posts: 1635 (07/01/09 07:53:01) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Using The Mighty THOR as an Example of course... Because he is the most Iconic example to use of course. How would you guys do/create a Thor-like comic character ?? Incarnate ? Avatar ? Spirit Patron ? Other ?? Something new perhaps ?? Basicly, in the Vain of Thor, Thunderstrike, Bloodaxe, Bloodwraith, etc... Heroes or Villians who are empowered through a Mystic Weapon which grants them powers through its use. There may be certain conditions that exist for someone to be elegable to possess the power (like being Worthy, magic words being known, etc..) that the weapon will grant. Usally the weapon will grant all of its abilities and powers to the user. Some however will have to learn how their weapon works and uncover its abilities and powers on their own (like Thunderstrike had to). The all-at-once method gives a character all their weapon will grant at once, and might be very expensive in starting costs to have. The learn as you go method, gives a character a chance to grow in power and build up their character's abilities and powers over time which could mean, spending XP on new powers later on. Mystic Weapon weilders ?? Opinions ?? btw...Everyone needs to checkout the new Thor comics. His return was pretty good. "i'm a Big Fluffy Puppydog, with bad teeth" - spike Last Edited By: GOTH 07/01/09 08:12:38. Edited 1 time.
DariusRoland		#1	[-]
Posts: 2427 (07/01/09 08:45:04) Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'd probably write him as an avatar, probably in the 300 - 400 point range, which is about where I put dragons and other extremely powerful characters that I don't really intend my players to come across. Note that I would set the in-setting actual Norse deity Thor at roughly 3000 points for character creation, a lot of which would go into his Essence Pool. Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support Last Edited By: DariusRoland 07/01/09 08:47:29. Edited 1 times.
GOTH		#2	[-]
Posts: 1636 (07/01/09 09:47:14) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"i'm a Big Fluffy Puppydog, with bad teeth" - spike
GOTH		#3	[-]
Posts: 1637 (07/01/09 10:05:10) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	DR... 300 pt Range ?? Wow. That is pretty high actually. Then again I did not think of the point cost for this either AVATAR huh. No special Quality for an Avatar to limit the Powers to the weapon instead of a human baby, which would grow up to appear like the God-godparent ? A New Quality/Vulnerability would make sense to me. Human Form use Poteinal Hero Mundane. God Form use either Avatar or Incarnate (depending on needs of course). If the Godform is Unaging, and basicly just like the God-in-Question, then I say use the Incarnate Quality with the new Vulnerability to simulate the character a little better. Here is just a Suggestion : MORTAL FORM (-10 pt Vulnerability) The Incarnate in question reverts to a mortal form. While in the mortal form, the character is actually mortal/mundane. The mortal requires the weapon/item of Primal Power to change back into their Incarnate form. A Few Skyfathers are rumored to have placed this vulnerability on members of their race as punishment for some reason or crime. PRIMAL WEAPON / ITEM of Power (-10 pt Vulnerability) Same as above. Except the name is changed to reflect the need of the weapon/item. "i'm a Big Fluffy Puppydog, with bad teeth" - spike
GOTH		#4	[-]
Posts: 1639 (07/01/09 11:38:32) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Great concept aet for Thor movie. Too bad the artist in question did not know it was for the animated movie. Here is an Alteration of the picture above I made in Paint and Photshop. I changed the hammer as you can tell. "i'm a Big Fluffy Puppydog, with bad teeth" - spike
DariusRoland		#5	[-]
Posts: 2428 (07/01/09 12:39:55) Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	GOTH wrote: DR... 300 pt Range ?? Wow. That is pretty high actually. Then again I did not think of the point cost for this either AVATAR huh. No special Quality for an Avatar to limit the Powers to the weapon instead of a human baby, which would grow up to appear like the God-godparent ? A New Quality/Vulnerability would make sense to me. Human Form use Poteinal Hero Mundane. God Form use either Avatar or Incarnate (depending on needs of course). If the Godform is Unaging, and basicly just like the God-in-Question, then I say use the Incarnate Quality with the new Vulnerability to simulate the character a little better. Here is just a Suggestion : MORTAL FORM (-10 pt Vulnerability) The Incarnate in question reverts to a mortal form. While in the mortal form, the character is actually mortal/mundane. The mortal requires the weapon/item of Primal Power to change back into their Incarnate form. A Few Skyfathers are rumored to have placed this vulnerability on members of their race as punishment for some reason or crime. PRIMAL WEAPON / ITEM of Power (-10 pt Vulnerability) Same as above. Except the name is changed to reflect the need of the weapon/item. Yeah, pretty much. I'd probably bring in the item rules from BH to replicate the weapon. You really should download the Beyond Human rules again. I think you'll find a lot of what you're looking for in these home brewed rules there. I wrote an entire science fiction super heroes vs. aliens campaign in BH's ruleset (translated from Tri-stat's The Authority, but still). Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
xnbach		#6	[-]
Posts: 1807 (07/04/09 18:09:30) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It honestly depends on what you are going for. If you want a hammer that gives mortals the power of the God of Thunder, I would build it with the enchanted item Primal Power from Armageddon and load it with the powers you need. If you want to go with Thor walking around as Donald Blake, I'd probably build him as an Avatar with Beholden and make it more like the Ultimates in that wielding Mjolnir or walking around in civilian clothes, he's stall a tall muscular guy with long blonde hair. I'd build him as at least a Greater Supernatural. If you want a Godlike being walking the Earth, I'd go with Incarnate and make it his son Magni or Modi. If you want the actual real-deal Thor, then you are in Beyond Human-land and have to build him as a cosmic level character with an Essence Pool in the five-to-six digit range, probably the later. A major God like Thor, it wouldn't be surprising to find him with an Essence Pool of at least 500,000. Thom Marrion Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), and all sorts of other stuff
DariusRoland		#7	[-]
Posts: 2433 (07/04/09 18:38:54) Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	xnbach wrote: It honestly depends on what you are going for. . . . If you want the actual real-deal Thor, then you are in Beyond Human-land and have to build him as a cosmic level character with an Essence Pool in the five-to-six digit range, probably the later. A major God like Thor, it wouldn't be surprising to find him with an Essence Pool of at least 500,000. Wow, that's way higher than I had been considering, but if you're saying that's roughly the point total for a WC canon "actual" god Thor, then it really gives me some things to reconsider about how I'm dealing with the cosmic end of my games. Where would other actual deities rank in point totals? Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
xnbach		#8	[-]
Posts: 1808 (07/05/09 01:59:37) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I was off by a decimal, Archangels and Old Gods have Essence Pools in the tens of thousands (not hundreds of thousands), so I'd put someone like Thor in the 50-75.000 Essence Point range. Thom Marrion Line Editor: All Flesh Must Be Eaten Writer: The Book of Hod, The Book of Geburah, Monster Smackdown, Welcome to Sunnydale (r.i.p.), Encyclopedia Demonica (r.i.p.), and all sorts of other stuff
GOTH		#9	[-]
Posts: 1643 (07/05/09 06:59:03) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Pretty good ideas Thom. "i'm a Big Fluffy Puppydog, with bad teeth" - spike
DariusRoland		#10	[-]
Posts: 2434 (07/05/09 07:24:04) Sort of Ripe Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	xnbach wrote: I was off by a decimal, Archangels and Old Gods have Essence Pools in the tens of thousands (not hundreds of thousands), so I'd put someone like Thor in the 50-75.000 Essence Point range. Ok thanks, you had me worried there for a minute. I was all: but I'm ok now. Thanks again for being a pretty much constant presence around here Thom. Hail to the Burger King, Baby! Ook! Ook! -Anastas "That's not school. That's Schoolhouse Rock." - Sam Winchester Going to war over religion is basically killing each other to see who has the better imaginary friend. - Richard Jeni USS Lynx \| Currently Running: Shadowrun with Online Game Support
GOTH		#11	[-]
Posts: 1645 (07/06/09 01:44:17) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	DariusRoland wrote: xnbach wrote: I was off by a decimal, Archangels and Old Gods have Essence Pools in the tens of thousands (not hundreds of thousands), so I'd put someone like Thor in the 50-75.000 Essence Point range. Ok thanks, you had me worried there for a minute. I was all: but I'm ok now. Thanks again for being a pretty much constant presence around here Thom. Constant in freaking you out, right "i'm a Big Fluffy Puppydog, with bad teeth" - spike
Crucible		#12	[-]
Posts: 1422 (07/15/09 09:35:39) Zombielord Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	DariusRoland wrote: GOTH wrote: DR... 300 pt Range ?? Wow. That is pretty high actually. Then again I did not think of the point cost for this either AVATAR huh. No special Quality for an Avatar to limit the Powers to the weapon instead of a human baby, which would grow up to appear like the God-godparent ? A New Quality/Vulnerability would make sense to me. Human Form use Poteinal Hero Mundane. God Form use either Avatar or Incarnate (depending on needs of course). If the Godform is Unaging, and basicly just like the God-in-Question, then I say use the Incarnate Quality with the new Vulnerability to simulate the character a little better. Here is just a Suggestion : MORTAL FORM (-10 pt Vulnerability) The Incarnate in question reverts to a mortal form. While in the mortal form, the character is actually mortal/mundane. The mortal requires the weapon/item of Primal Power to change back into their Incarnate form. A Few Skyfathers are rumored to have placed this vulnerability on members of their race as punishment for some reason or crime. PRIMAL WEAPON / ITEM of Power (-10 pt Vulnerability) Same as above. Except the name is changed to reflect the need of the weapon/item. Yeah, pretty much. I'd probably bring in the item rules from BH to replicate the weapon. You really should download the Beyond Human rules again. I think you'll find a lot of what you're looking for in these home brewed rules there. I wrote an entire science fiction super heroes vs. aliens campaign in BH's ruleset (translated from Tri-stat's The Authority, but still). Are these rules (BH) still out there? If so where can I find it?
Redemption77		#13	[-]
Posts: 461 (07/15/09 16:41:05) Not Even Green Yet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Its not so much you can just download them. You have to join the Beyond HUman playtest group. Its a yahoo group and I'm sure you can get in. Just jump over to the beyond human forum and look for the playtest thread, all the info is there.

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